The market is fascinating this week, with world number 376 Andrew Novak leading the field. Cleveland RTX4 50, 54, 58 What I was hoping from this article was proof for that a current 46* MB/CB PW doesnt go any further than the 47/48* PWs of the past. If you've got 2* upright and don't need that configuration, the heel will dig in and you'd pull the shots left (right handed). Good question. Military. Your link has been automatically embedded. Using a club bending machine to change the angle on a golf club is among the fastest ways to improve a players ball flight. If a golfer was a digger, will he/she still get somewhat better turf interaction with the GI irons vs. with a players irons? On the short end, as the pitching wedge loft gets stronger you end up with wider gaps in the scoring clubs. Will keep that in mind from now on, It is hard for some golfers to understand how irons with more loft can help them hit the ball farther,. The 4 iron will have a negative bounce if you bend them 2 degrees. Yes, it would make the clubs a little 'longer' (with a lower ball flight), but it might not be worth it, especially if you already take a divot. I haven't built them yet, i was wondering if the results are still working out a year or so later? Machines with fixed measuring gauges will not be accurate when measuring clubs with offset, progressive offset, or face progression hosel positions. The bend overlap in angle iron will be bigger so you need to allow for a 1/2 inch. The 2-degree limit is only recommended when changing the lofts on irons due to the potential effect such bends will have on the sole angle of the club. Often, golfers think they need to make more birdies in order to score better or become a better golfer, when in reality it is minimizing the bad shots and bad holes that can have more impact. I should have made the same swing with a 9 iron, to compensate for the lie, but did not.". So I changed my swing to compress the ball better instead, and just took extra club and swing easy. Display as a link instead, My 54 wedge has 12 of bounce and the divots I take with it are just a big as all the rest. And here is why. So, if you really want to get better at golf, start by learning how to hold the club properly. Will it affect offset? And you are right about the irons listed, X Hot is a shockingly low launching iron and the G25 would be the exact opposite, with Rocketbladez mixed in the middle. The basic fundamentals of striking a golf ball have not changed nearly as much as golf club technology, and those fundamentals have their roots dating back a hundred years to Bobby Jones and his peers or even further. That said, no equipment can make up for poor fundamentals in your approach to moving a golf ball around three to four miles of real estate in the least number of strokes. "I suppose its better to be a master of 7 than to be vaguely familiar with 14." Here are some of the facts, and fallacies, about club adjustment. Grant is a big-hitter off the tee, his driving distance ranking being fourth at Bermuda, 16th at the RSM and third at Pebble Beach, whilst he ranked highly for both his driving and greens during his KFT campaign. As long as the spin rate is acceptable, the new irons, because of their lower center of gravity, are going to produce more speed off the face (due to the lower loft and lower COG) and more distance. I reckon for every 1 degree off it takes about 250 off the spin. Each player is different and because of this each iron plays different for each player. PXG 0311P Gen 3 - 5to PW - Nippon 125 X Bravo, As a club fitter who deals with players that purchase equipment based on what their ego tells them they need verses the facts this is a breath of fresh air! How much will bending an iron affect how it plays? Clamp the piece in so only a 1/2 inch below where you want the bend in the angle iron is flush with the top of the vise. Ping G425 5 wood & hybrid Pasted as rich text. And here is why. I suspect Ill be waiting a very long time, Amen, finally some one with great insight. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Thats why I recommend that golfers get fit for irons on golf radar by a certified fitter who understands how loft and COG work together in iron design. I am in favor of weaker lofts. You dont need to bend the clubs. The new grooves should also be mentioned as allowing the ball to slide up the face a little more compared to the older grooves. Ball- Bridgestone Tour B X, In the grand scheme of things, I would say zero effect. All data in this article is gathered from Shot Scopes database of over 140,000 golfers and in excess of 250 million shots recorded using performance tracking products such as the unique PRO LX+ laser rangefinder. Bending 2* strong will increase the clubs digging tendencies. Loft is used to get the irons back to the proper launch window. But loft is a much more important factor in fitting. Started Thursday at 03:24 PM. And provided the hosel of the wood is long enough to allow the bending bar to fit over its length, metal woods can be bent to custom-fit a player. Anyway, the scorecard couldn't care less what club you hit. Titleist 620 MB 5-9 Oban CT 125 Changing the lie angle of a club can help golfers more consistently hit shots off of the center of the clubface. More photos from the event here. Why would you weaken the lofts of every club and increase the bounce angle by a proportionate amount if you could just get rid of the 3 iron and add a gap wedge? I take healthy beaver pelts with short irons, but the 2 iron is just a nip of grass. See below the make percentage for an average golfer from varying distances. I did this several years ago and it ended up being quite expensive, so dont be me and order your custom set all at once! sorry, didnt mean increase loft. It will reduce the bounce of the club, but the actual effect will depend on your swing path. Another point regarding GI/SGI clubs that I would love to see a fitter touch on is shaft length. i dont need that. I believe that you can't really bend your irons too much but to accommodate I am thinking of bending my AP2s 1 degree stronger and AP3s 1 degree weaker so that I have better gaping. Furthermore, he was 15th at the end of the first round on debut here last year and 11th after Thursdays round at the correlative Corales in the Dominican Republic. That is why getting the numbers is so important. Any knowledge on the subject would be appreciated. Calla SuperHot (Orange preferred) ||Bag: Sun Mountain Three 5 stand bag. Driver: G425 LST 9on Fujikura VENTUSBlue 5S, Fairway: G425LST 3w on Fujikura VENTUSBlue 6S, G425MAX 9won Graphite Design Tour ADDI7S, Utility: KING Forged Utility Black 4 on UST RECOIL SMACWRAP, Irons: KING Forged TEC Black5-Gon Mitsubishi MMT, Wedges:ES2154& Hi Toe Raw58on KBS Hi Rev 2.0, Putter: Triple Track Double Wide White Hot, Balls: Pro V1TP5xChrome Soft Triple Track x LS. They know how much torque to put on the hozzel. Sitemap. Just curious but, can I bend a set of titleist cb718 to the titleist ap2 718 specs? So if you have the time, watch this cool video that I really like explaining how important lie angle is for your golf game: Having and knowing the correct lie angle of your clubs will be a game changer, I promise! I wouldn't feel comfortable messing with the bounce/offset/loft. Bending strong 2* decreases bounce by 2* and increases offset by about .75mm. Yes, thats essentially what Im asking. ***GIVEAWAY*** Cleveland CBX ZipCore Wedge! If so why mess with perfection. It would decrease the bounce on each club, not a good idea, as well as it would cause the ball to go farther. Required fields are marked *. I am wanting to bend my 5-PW one degree stronger and my 4 irontwo degrees stronger to fit better with my wedges and hybrid golf club. And visa versa, if the original bounce is low and/or the club has a sharp leading edge, the reduction in bounce may have a significant impact on playability. for the better golfer, these lofts leave nothing at the bottom of the bag. Lofts don't always come in 4-degree increments. Reduce the loft & you reduce the bounce which, on the longer clubs, is quite small anyway. He hasnt let that chance go, and while the opening nine events certainly havent been stunning seven missed cuts he showed up at Bermuda, finishing 35th after entering Sunday inside the top-15. Each one of those sees him rightly disputing the market number one, but Im not sure I can get involved at around 20-25-to-one with any of the favourites, even if they hold excellent claims. Whether you can still hit the ball in the air and make good contact is dependent on your swing. Generally though as you decrease theloft of a club by one degree, you reduce its bounce a degree at the same time and if you increase the loft by one degree you increase the bounce by a degree. When looking for clubs that fit your game, a professional club fitter will look at these factors down below to determine what their lie angle should be: I know this concept can be confusing, especially if you have never been fit for golf clubs before. Using like say an Older Macgregor blade butter knife with a thin sharp leading edge on the sole if you deloft more than 1 degree or so you have a chance of digging to China. Lower lofts will travel a bit farther and a bit lower, higher lofts will travel a bit less and fly a bit higher. So I hit my standard 50 yard pitch with a 54* wedge. By Assuming you are not altering the trajectory due to the conditions. So you bend them 1 degree strong, bounce follows it by a degree. Adams A12 19 - Fuji HB 80X, PXG 0311X 4 - HZRDUS Red 105 X JavaScript is disabled. i realize the distance and ball flight. You get to replace the 4 iron thats gone with something you can get in the air. These are topics that have been kicked around and that are important in todays market, so articles will most likely be touching on them in the future. Even with the knowledge of club bending and its importance on your play, there are a lot of misconceptions about what can and cant be done with a clubs loft and lie. By setting up with the ball 1" farther back in your stance, and all other things being exactly the same you are delofting the club by 1.6* based on the average length club.. We dont stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.. Your previous content has been restored. You don't say what club it is, but Rev said it sounds like a long iron and I agree. After the death of his mother, Endycott understandably struggled through the late teens, understandably saying that, At the time, golf didnt really matter to me.. You will see it often when a pro, for example, will eliminate his 4 iron from the set and they may strengthen their 5 iron a degree or two and weaken their 3 iron a degree or two to even out the gaps. I was fit for my current irons and they were bent 2 degrees strong for ball flight purposes. Bag Old School Jones Original non stand. The golfwrx wannabe touring pros will argue otherwise.. After reading the headline I was expecting a slightly different subject discussed but this topic is something Ive been wondering about myself. Contact Us Hi all, I was wondering if bending a club 2* strong would affect the playability of said club? Sure, the top few are valid members of the PGA Tour, all with their legitimate claims in this lowly class, but we then have the likes of Chad Campbell (unranked after not being seen for almost three years) and Frank Lickliter (now outside the world top 3000) bringing up a rear lacks depth. Best of luck.Chuck. Surely getting consistent results and regular yardage gaps between clubs is more important than shooting for some ideal stats that may go against your natural swing? So if you are steep or tend to take a pretty good divot, you may not want to bend them more than a degree. Im 62 and most GI clubs are too long even for me in their stock iteration with this progressive shaft lengths concept. having a discussion with a friend and we are in disagreement. database of over 140,000 golfers and in excess of 250 million shots recorded using performance tracking products such as the unique. Pros and cons? I know for people with slower swing speeds these crazy lofted, ultimate SGI irons are perfect. . You must log in or register to reply here. Loft and lie changes are more or less permanent. Fitters have to find some way to raise their ball flight, because those golfers lack the speed necessary to get the best results from many modern iron heads. Upload or insert images from URL. 2. Using like say an Older Macgregor blade butter knife with a thin sharp leading edge on the sole if you deloft more than 1 degree or so you have a chance of digging to China. That means judging any of this due to the club head alone and isolated makes no sense, we have to include the player and his delivery of the head since thats what matters for if we can / should go weaker or stronger or leave it as it is. We'll walk you through the process and offer some simple tips and trick. This applies to both face angle and lie. A long iron doesn't have much bounce anyway since it was made to not take a big divot. In the last six years, Tony Finau and Viktor Hovland both broke their maiden here, whilst after a period of personal tragedy, multiple winner, Branden Grace, bounced back to form. TM M2 8.5* Graphite Design Tour AD GP 6X+ I'm curious what effect bending the irons 1 or 2 degrees strong would have on the irons playability. This could cause them to dig at impact, and no one wants that. Great point I am a low ball hitter looking for more distance especially in my high irons. Late to the party but I was just searching this topic and saw your post, I just bought an old set of mizuno's that are bent 2* strong for the exact same reason as you stated above. Driver: Cobra Amp Cell Pro (8.5 degrees) Shaft: Aldila RIP Phenom 3-wood: Titleist 906F4 (13.5 degrees) Shaft: Aldila NV 7-wood: Michael Hopper whats in the bag accurate as of the WM Phoenix Open. It just depends. Terms & Conditions Nick is a Certified Performance Club Fitter at Carl's Golfland in Bloomfield Hills, Mich. If your intent is to modify them by making them one degree strong, you will be changing the play of the iron, and also the physical appearance possible (could be debatable if the human eye can tell one degree, I'm not sure since I have never had to do this to any of my sets.). Driver: TM 300 Mini 11.5*, Tour Blue 85 X, 44" -or- Cobra Fly-Z+, Phenom NL 60 X, 44.5", 3w:King LTD, Aldila RIP Beta 90 X -or- TM Stage 2 Tour, NV105 X Its taking up to 2 degrees off each iron. Golfers can talk about shafts until they are blue in the face, and different shafts will make a difference in control, feel and sometimes launch and spin. All very well getting consistent loft gaps if your distance gaps are varied. Routinely, I notice longer than standard 85g shafts with these sets. The sole on that thing is tiny compared to any driving iron and I still had no trouble hitting it off the deck. Your link has been automatically embedded. 2023 Acushnet Company. Can someone please discuss the advantages and disadvantages of increasing loft on an iron by 2 degrees? What are you trying to achieve? Golfers who know this information will have a much easier time controlling their ball flight, hitting the center of the clubface more consistently. Club Repair Seminar shows golfers the importance of checking the specs.. If they are not bent properly you can change the lie fairly easily unintentionally. Like you said, it will change the bounce but other than that, it wont change much and shouldnt effect the playability of the club unless you are really steep and need the bounce. There is no question that golf is one of the hardest, if not the hardest, games in which to become reasonably proficient. Thats not to say this exotic land doesnt bring a classy winner. The 2 that were out the most went from 'avoided' clubs to 'favourites'! The bounce on irons is pretty much a non starter in my opinion. Hi everyone, sorry for the slow reply! Still many worries about bending lofts due to bounce changes, and many also thinkthat shafts can lift or lower ball flight by changing dynamic loft, but without anything happening to bounce, but that cant be prevented, bounce always follows loft no matter if loft was changed due to bending, angle of attack, or adifferent shaft, all 3 scenarios has the same changes. 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It, In any case one can't really compare clubs anymore with respect to asking what someone hit. 2023 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Discussion and Links to Photos, 2023 The Honda Classic - Discussion and Links to photos, 2023 Genesis Invitational - Discussion and Links to photos, 2023 Waste Management Phoenix Open - Discussion and Links to Photos, 2023 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am - Discussion and Links to all photos, Fitness, maximum efficiency for the time spent. Odyssey #7 Tank, I got a set of Titleist 716 cb that are bent 2 degrees strong (they end up being 1 Degree weaker than my old z745 I believe). Titleist Vokey 47* Oban CT 125, 51*, 55*, and 59* Shimada Tour Wedge Black The refit yielded a super driving iron. Here is a quick list of scenarios that might mean that you need to use a flatter lie angle in your clubs: On the flip side, here is a list of situations that might require you to get a more upright lie angle: The best way to get your loft and lie adjusted is by a professional club fitter. Unless of course it's a long iron and you have a hard time elevating it in the first place. If the added ball speed of modern irons is not enough to achieve an ideal landing angle, I have to add loft. The speed of putts is crucial. You may want to try searching if you need more info. Chamblee takes on Tiger: Brandel, meet Bayless, Tweets of the week: Lizards, grammar police, bad greens, worse sunglasses. I know my distances with the Ping set too well and I dont want to go through a whole season of trial-and-error with new irons, so would it make sense to have my new Mizuno irons bent to the old Ping specs? Generall, Dont worry and overthink this like most doo. I was being fitted for MP-4's and the ball flight with the kbs tour x was a little higher than i wanted so my fitter was able to bend it strong incrementally by 1 degree to flatten out the ball flight for me. Clamp the piece of angle iron into the vise. Like most things in life, the real answer is it all depends, golf is probably the only sport where they use generalization to describe something that is quite complicated. If anyone thought the Honda Classic had a below-par field, dont show them this weeks Puerto Rico Open. Thankfully gone are the days of everyone demanding s300 S or X when they dont have the swing speed to support them. If the hosel design and manufacturing processes allow it, the lie of an iron can be bent 3-4 degrees or more with no compromise to the integrity of the head. Thanks for everybody for your help! How accurate are the loft and lie readings of clubs straight from the manufacturer? I'm guessing it will dig more but how much more?
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